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  • That Old Chestnut... `The Kick`

    In the last 15 years there is a lot of talk going on about `the kick`. I remember seeing a programme concerning it and its technicalities, and even though this was done under `laboratory conditions`, they still couldnt come to a conclusion to agree what was the `one main ` cause of the kick.
    The cloth was examined, the chalk which was used, the heating under the table, the overhead lighting, the type of tip used, the balls.
    Back in the 60s when I used to play we never had a kick or anything that slightly resembled it. We still played on Strachan cloth, the balls were Super Chrystalate, the chalk at the time would have been St. Martin (a French blue chalk) and the tips would have been 100% Baldock. We used to have `gas rings` under our tables as our club didnt have central heating at the time, and the lighting canopies were the Burroughes & Watts Shadowless shades with 3 x 100 bulbs.
    Any frames of snooker we were priviliged to see on TV never had a kick during play. When the late 70s and 80s arrived we would go to exhibitions, and professional tournaments, but once again, the kick was never there.
    I know that this `old chestnut` has been haggled about for so long, and more than likely it has been the subject of earlier threads on this forum, but what really baffles me in this day and age, and with technology at its peak, they still havnt come up with an answer to this ongoing problem.
    I w2ould be interested to rear your comments. Thank you.
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    IMO there has probably been kicks even back to the 50's and 60's but the thing is nothing was known about them back then. You could probably have had a few but just put it down to misjudgement or didn't even think about why the ball jumped slightly or if the cue ball suddenly stopped or went off its intended course.

    Fact is I cannot see that the balls or cloth would really make such a difference to the game that kicks are now prevelant. Chalk hasn't really changed too much, we certainly had kicks back in the 80's but even then they weren't mentioned in the same breath as today. Everyone knows about them now so are fully aware of what happens and its picked upon by commentators and obviously the players.

    You get kicks in all cue sports, I've seen them in American 9 ball, even on napless cloths, different chalk and much bigger heavier balls but they call them skids over there. They happen in English 8 ball too though the conditions are more similar to snooker so that isn't surprising.

    That's my view on it anyway, TV coverage and the fact everyone has been made aware of it now so it gets picked upon more so.

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    • #3
      ryanah147... a good question!
      You may get a kick (sorry) out of some of the posts in this thread...


      http://www.thesnookerforum.com/board...highlight=kick

      Cheers!


      =o)

      Noel

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      • #4
        Originally Posted by cueman View Post
        IMO there has probably been kicks even back to the 50's and 60's but the thing is nothing was known about them back then.
        There certainly were kicks back in the 1960s, and even earlier. Mannock (of cue fame) wrote in 1901 of: "kicking (which arises from the presence of some foreign substance on the table or balls)"

        I could probably find some earlier references if I looked - and he was talking about ivory balls! So, it appears, 'twas ever thus, although the crappy plastic they use these days can't help very much.

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        • #5
          In one of Jack Karnehms videos he says a possible reason is players with greasy hair (and i assum gel too) wiping down the table after a shot and the ball then collecting chalk dust and kicking that way. Another possible "reason" thrown into the mix.
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          • #6
            Originally Posted by RocketRoy1983 View Post
            In one of Jack Karnehms videos he says a possible reason is players with greasy hair (and i assum gel too) wiping down the table after a shot and the ball then collecting chalk dust and kicking that way. Another possible "reason" thrown into the mix.
            lol thats the funnies one ive heard!

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            • #7
              Funny yes but from the great mans mouth.
              Always play snooker with a smile on your face...You never know when you'll pot your last ball.

              China Open 2009 Fantasy Game Winner.
              Shanghai Masters 2009 Fantasy Game Winner.

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              • #8
                Originally Posted by ryanah147 View Post
                Back in the 60s when I used to play we never had a kick or anything that slightly resembled it. We still played on Strachan cloth, the balls were Super Chrystalate, the chalk at the time would have been St. Martin (a French blue chalk) and the tips would have been 100% Baldock
                In the 1960's, crystalate balls were used, not super crystalate. Crystalate balls were heavier and so were not prone to kick so much as the lighter super crystalate, which were introduced in the mid seventies.
                The even lighter phenolic resin balls used now are even more prone to kicks, which is caused by chalk or dirt on the balls.

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